243rd Meeting
- Tuesday, February 10th 2004
Present: John Cadet, Mike Calavan, Bernard D. Davis, Louis Gabaude, Oliver Hargreave, June Hulley, Carool Kersten, Martyn King, Thida Kittileate, Gerda Kramer, Helmut Kramer, Annette Kunigagon, Richard Nelson-Jones, Alain Mounier, Somkuan Piboonrat, Adrian Pieper, Botter Reeves, Jan Schauseil, Nadchaphon Srisongkram, David Steane, Bob Stratton, Carol Stratton, Edward Tuyll, Ricky Ward, Forrest Woods, David Wyatt. An audience of 26.
Brief Abstract:
Aaron writes - This is an expanded version of the outline I used for my
INTG
presentation. It covers most points I presented in my talk.
The
words "see handout" in parentheses refer to a handout at the
presentation with tables and charts. Contact me for a copy via
email
attachment (sterna@umich.edu).
I. Introduction
A. A story about pedestrian bridge.
i) Subject of three House standing
committee meetings. Testimony from people living in the area of
the
bridge. High level
ii) An attempt to contrast the two
roles/functions of the House: it is both a law-making body at the
national
level and an organization operating to serve the often very
personal/detailed
needs of constituents.
II. Overview of Presentation
A. Description of my research
i) Observed activities at the Thai
House of Representatives (lower chamber of the parliament) during
November 2001
to January 2004.
ii) Attended meetings of 4
committees
(three standing committees of the House and one joint House-Senate
committee
considering a draft law).
iii) Conducted formal interviews and
held many informal conversations with politicians, permanent House
administrative staff, legislative staff, and others outside of
parliament.
B. Outline main points of talk
i) What is parliament supposed to
be
doing, particularly in light of the current constitution?
ii) Focus on the House of
Representatives because that is where I did almost all my research.
iii) Focus on a few areas of possible
change
a. Will sometimes look back to
1979. Beginning of a period of declining military influence in
politics
and consecutive elected governments only interrupted by one military
coup
d'état.
III.
What was
Parliament supposed
to do under the Current Constitution?
A. Make laws
i) National policies that affect
everyone, or at least large segments of the population.
ii) One goal behind the change in
the
electoral system.
a. Previous House elections
essentially
involved electing multiple representatives from a single
district. Voters
could vote for more than one candidate in a single election in their
district.
b. New constitution increased size of
House to 500 members. 400 members elected from districts where
only one
person was the winner and had to represent that district. 100
members
selected based on lists of candidates prepared by each political party
before
the election. The amount of votes each party received in the
elections
for the individual districts determines how many people from each
party's list
become members of the House (i.e. if your party wins a large proportion
of the
individual district elections, a large number of the candidates on its
list
become members). This is the essence of the electoral change,
minus some
details.
c. So-called "party list MPs"
should have the prominence and flexibility to work on more "national"
policy concerns, unburdened by the need to maintain voter support in
individual
districts.
B. Check on government
i) Most powerful tool parliaments
have
is the no-confidence vote in the government and the Thai House is not
different
from most other parliaments.
ii) Senate becomes fully and
popularly
elected, not appointed by the King based on recommendations from the
prime
minister.
a. Senate is meant to serve as a
check
on the government and on any excessive actions by the House.
Senators
cannot be members of or associate with political parties.
Senators serve
only one 6-year term.
C. Providing a previously unavailable
channel for members of the public to influence the government policy
making
process
i) The ideas of "good
governance" and "public participation" have entered into Thai
politics and to some extent been enshrined in the current constitution.
ii) Goal is to bring a wider
variety of
interest groups into the process and provide more information and more
accurate
information about government activities.
a. Constitution has provisions
(see
section 59) for public hearings and obtaining greater access to
information
about government activities.
b. Constitution (section 170) contains
provisions for 50,000 eligible voters to present a draft law to the
House for
its consideration.
IV. What has
happened in the
House, particularly since the New Constitution came into effect?
A. Concerning parliament making laws
i) The executive branch dominates
much
of the law-making process. The vast majority of laws proposed by
the
cabinet pass the House. The versions proposed by groups of House
members rarely
become laws.
ii) Is law-making what parliament
does
best? Constitutions across the world state this as main function
of
parliament. But what about representing the interests of
individual
members' constituencies? In the words of one prominent MP, the
constitution made a mistake. MPs are really representatives of
their
constituencies and should do what they can to direct government
resources to
their districts. Law-making is a secondary function.
iii) Money bills
a. Way of prime minister
exercising
influence over legislative process. In current constitution and a
number
of previous constitutions.
b. Section 169 of the constitution
describes money bills as follows: "i) the imposition, repeal,
reduction,
alteration, modification, remission, or regulation of taxes or duties;
ii) the
allocation, receipt, custody, payment of the state funds, or transfer
of
expenditure estimates of the state; iii) the raising of loans, or
guarantee or
redemption of loans; and iv) currency."
c. The Prime Minister must endorse
the
designation of a draft bill as a money bill. If the House
approves and
the Senate then disapproves of a money bill, a House vote in favor of
the money
bill (i.e. absolute majority votes in favor) means the money bill goes
directly
to the Prime Minister for approval, bypassing the Senate.
d. There are no clear criteria for
deciding what is a money bill.
iv) Emergency decrees
a. Another as way of getting
around
parliament. Has to be used sparingly and for issues that will not
raise
the hackles too much of government coalition members (e.g. terrorism
legislation gets a decree but bureaucratic reform bills get debated in
House,
partly because of strong House member connections with government
ministries).
v) Dominance of cabinet in legislative
process not unusual internationally. Characteristic of most
parliamentary
systems, and many presidential systems as well.
vi) 50,000 eligible voter petition
process
a. 50,000 eligible voters are much
less
than 1% of the Thai population.
b. Few draft laws submitted using this
method and simply submitting such a draft law does not guarantee it
will get on
the House agenda in the form submitted or in a timely manner.
c. Community
vii) Policy expertise of members
a. Complaints about the lack of
expertise of members have been made for many years in
b. Educational data on House members
(refer to handout)
c. Partial reflection of general
increase in education levels in
d. Rise in number of Master’s
degrees
held by House members may not reflect significantly increased knowledge
about
key Thai policy areas. The "easy degree" problem in which
members obtain a degree without investing much effort because having a
piece of
paper that proves you possess an educational degree looks good.
ix) Local government experience of
members (see handout)
a. Many MPs start their political
careers in local government (e.g. kamnan, village head, provincial
councilor,
etc.)
b. Current House contains the largest
proportion of members who served in local government since 1979.
Unsure
why.
B. Concerning supervision of government
i) Most substantial check on
government
excess is the vote of no confidence. Complaints about unstable
coalition
governments and party switching led to constitutional provisions
designed to
limit these occurrences. Now Thai Rak Thai dominates so no
confidence
motions have little chance of success. No-confidence votes are
currently a weak
check on the prime minister's power.
ii) Creation of many different
independent bodies such as the National Counter Corruption Commission
and the
iii) Budget process
a. Each year, the House has
responsibility for debating and approving the national government
budget.
House power has been and remains very weak over the budget
process.
b. Elimination of MP funds in
mid-1990s. MP funds were 20 million baht allocations to each MP
over
which they had significant control. Typically used for projects
in
members' districts.
c. Constituency focus of MPs still
motivates them to find ways to get government programs into their
constituencies. But it is rare to see an organized group (with
the
partial exception of factions within political parties) pushing a
particular
idea strongly in the budget process.
iv) Much concern about control of the
Senate. Democrat party suggestion that Senators be allowed to
join political
parties was rejected during constitutional drafting process. Most
insiders believe Senate already effectively under Thai Rak Thai
control.
Senate has powers to appoint and/or approve members of various bodies
such as
the
a. A very recent sign of Senate
weakness is the attempt by some Senators to initiate a Senate debate on
government policies, particularly involving the bird flu. Senate
was
unable (at this writing) to obtain a quorum of 120 Senators necessary
to hold
such a debate.
v). Member experience in government
a. Refers to which members have
previously held positions as ministers, deputy ministers, assistants to
ministers, secretaries to ministers, officials in the Office of the
Prime
Minister, etc. (see handout)
b. Greater MP experience in cabinet and
ministries could improve House supervision of the government by giving
MPs more
knowledge of ministry activities. It could also lead to more
opportunities for collusion between MPs and government officials.
My
observations point towards the latter.
vi) Argument that new faces among
membership will change the nature of parliament. See little evidence
that this
has had much effect. New members are often steeped in politics
(party
list, local government), dependent on financial help, not ideological,
not
willing to engage in collective action with other young members on key
issues. In addition, they are only marginally better educated
than
existing members (at least for the current parliament).
vii) Committee work
a. As with the pedestrian bridge
story
at the beginning of the talk, the issues that get submitted to
committees and
what gets on committee agendas are often quite local/individual
concerns.
b. Notice that you almost never hear
anything about House committees working on the bird flu issue.
The bird
flu is a national problem with very direct and measurable impacts on
constituents. On the surface, it seems ideal for a national
committee to consider.
c. The use of House standing
committees
as petition bodies, often for individual cases, is a long-time
phenomenon that
has not changed under the current constitution. Committees are
often a
form of constituency service. The role of MPs is an intermediary
between
the public and government officials.
d. A committee may not have the power to
directly solve a problem. But it may be able to recruit a
committee
member with strong connections to a cabinet official or ministry to
help
resolve the problem. This has also changed little since 1979.
C. Concerning providing a previously
unavailable channel for members of the public to influence the
government
policy making process
i) Interest
groups
a. Organized, registered interest
groups do not work much with parliament.
b. The most sustained and frequent
protests concerning government policies occur in front of Government
House
(where the prime minister and cabinet officials have offices), not at
parliament.
c. Attended only one committee
meeting
where a national-level interest group presented its case.
d. This interest group represented
construction businesses. Many house members involved in
construction
business. This appeal to the committee was clearly a last
resort.
The group had spent a long time lobbying cabinet officials without
results.
ii) What are non-governmental
organizations and non-profit organizations doing?
a. Involved with a very limited
number
of issues in House and do not seem to get much attention from most
House
members.
b. A few NGOs are well-connected with
the House Committee on Justice and Human Rights but that is a
particularly weak
committee.
c. James Klein (current Director
of
Asia Foundation in
d. Daniel Arghiros' publications are
useful for understanding interest groups in local politics and
connections
between local politicians and national-level politicians.
e. Ji Ungpakorn sees the
non-government
organization movements as fragmented. He has put forth an idea which
many
people in the non-governmental groups find unattractive: form a
political party
and contest elections. Even if such a party does not wins seats
in the
first few elections it contests, it can start to change the
government's
political priorities and the kinds of issues high on the government's
agenda.
V. Conclusion
A. The Thai parliament has been a
relatively static organization in Thai politics since 1979, in terms of
how
committees operate, how it considers legislation, the importance
attached to
constituency service, etc.
B. Perhaps I was too optimistic but I
expected to see more changes in the House, given the transformation of
C. Post-1997 optimism reflects 1980s
optimism. There was a burst of academic and policy institute
("think-tank") work on parliament during the 1980s. Much of the
optimism disappeared after the corruption associated with the Chatchai
Choonhavan government (1988-1991) and the military coup of 1991.
D. Or perhaps I am too early?
Parliaments take a long time to change, like most governmental and
political
institutions. The changes instituted by the current constitution
may turn
out to have substantial effects on the parliament but these are not
clearly
apparent now.
E. Comparative analysis
i) Parliaments typically very
resistant
to change. British parliament took hundreds of years to change
substantially.
ii) The Thai parliament is not so
different from parliaments in other countries, even a number of
parliamentary
democracies which by usual measures of democracy would be measured as
more
democratic than
After a lively and informative question and answer session, the meeting adjourned to the Alliance Cafeteria where members of the audience engaged Aaron in more informal discussion whilst partaking of drinks and snacks.